2008 Ferrari California

	Surname: Grotti Carbonizzare Class: Convertible Origin: Italy Playable vehicle

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generalrusty78 2018-04-12 15:02	It's no shock that a country in which a man had no qualms about dressing in a canary-yellow thong would know how to produce vehicles that get you noticed. The Carbonizzare is the ultimate sports car for the millionaire who wants people to know that they're a millionaire.
Tuppence870 2015-12-04 00:25	Tycek wrote I wasn't the one changing the Stratum back and forth, I changed it twice iirc (once to Subaru and once to MFG), so stop for Christ's sake trying to turn me into some crazy bad guy here running amok and changing cars to whatever he seems to like. But you did still change it back to both Subaru and MFG at a time when the generally accepted consensus was for Skyline, just because you personally didn't see it. Need I remind you that you referred to my carefully constructed evidence as "I'm right just because, and you're wrong", and that this is not the only time that you've blatantly ignored the evidence in favour of your own opinions. As for anybody complaining in caps lock and exclamation marks, please just stop. Apparently we can't have a sensible discussion around here without somebody calling it a war. We're here to identify cars, so a heated debate about the identity of cars is hardly a problem. And although I've run out of time tonight, I should be able to finally complete the Stratum stratagem tomorrow or at the weekend. I had wanted things to calm down a little before I posted it, but clearly the longer I leave this, the worse it's going to get. -- Last edit: 2015-12-04 00:30:57
speedfreak975 2015-12-03 22:08	Tycek wrote The last applies to everybody on this world, don't forget about that, because many people here and everywhere else are using the same way to create double standards. And what the here are you about? I wasn't the one changing the Stratum back and forth, I changed it twice iirc (once to Subaru and once to MFG), so stop for Christ's sake trying to turn me into some crazy bad guy here running amok and changing cars to whatever he seems to like. I'm not making you into anything, I'm talking to you arnt you an admin ? You have the power to change it and honestly half of the people on the stratum page agreed it's a r32 so why not put it that. I find it ridiculous that this car was never stated as MFG and the stratum was considered as one. I never attacked you. I addressed you because your name is orange. The exist thing can't be used considering this and the stratum arnt real life cars -- Last edit: 2015-12-03 22:09:46
Tycek 2015-12-03 22:02	The last applies to everybody on this world, don't forget about that, because many people here and everywhere else are using the same way to create double standards. And what the here are you about? I wasn't the one changing the Stratum back and forth, I changed it twice iirc (once to Subaru and once to MFG), so stop for Christ's sake trying to turn me into some crazy bad guy here running amok and changing cars to whatever he seems to like.
speedfreak975 2015-12-03 21:35	The stratum has been edited to be a 1989 skyline GTS-4 if that edit isn't accepted tycek than you prove that double standards exists, because concept wise this and the startum are the same case except the stratum is a clearer case that no one wants to understand. Edit: just because you don't fully agree with the majority that doesn't make you right , -- Last edit: 2015-12-03 21:44:37
Tycek 2015-12-03 21:07	Tuppence870 wrote On a side note, I'd like to point out the double standards of our old friend Tycek, who is perfectly happy with this convertible Zagato, but still can't come to terms with a wagon Skyline (hint, hint). Double standards my ass, but I see you're trying to be cool by making it personal. I believe that we all agree coming here that cars should be identified by their looks (which I even stated before on this very page). For me Stratum is oversized and modified Subaru Impreza Wagon and I will stand by it. Sure it has Skyline front (I am not denying that), but the rest of the car is not Skyline imo. Same goes here as I don't care if coupe was turned into convertible or sedan into wagon. This car here is not California, because it should be one. It's an Aston Martin because it looks like one. Fact that it was turned into convertible to look like California doesn't matter if 80% of the car looks nothing like it. -- Last edit: 2015-12-03 21:07:42
JFK 2015-12-03 20:38	Tycek wrote So despite the fact that this car looks almost like a V12 Zagato with changed front and we should base our judgement how the car looks, not what it was suppose to be, someone changed it to California? Nicely done. Did I edited it back to Aston right? I dont know if it was 2011 or 2012. To Ferrari/Aston debate, I am on side of Aston. It is like to say that Lampadati Pigalle should be judged by its not much significant rear. It is Citroen SM, because the front end is 100% accurate and rest of the body kinda fits. If you look on the back, it is 100% Aston, and front is maybe Ferrari influenced, but that is minimum in overall look of Aston. I would tell that this is a California few months ago, but after I saw Aston, it is Aston and that is end of the story.
speedfreak975 2015-12-03 20:15	Yes, the cars aren't lincensed meaning developers can modify them as they please but some people can't accept it , anyways the only way this becomes an Aston Martin Zagato is if the stratum becomes a R32 skyline -- Last edit: 2015-12-03 20:15:35
Tuppence870 2015-12-03 19:47	And here goes the biggest debate on IGCD - can game developers create new body styles for real cars? The simple answer is yes, because these are not real vehicles, they are lines of code tied to a 3D model and some textures. Since these cars are not licensed, the developer is free to do whatever they want with the car, hence why we get cars like the Surano - a Mercedes SLS with Jaguar F-Type details. Here, we are looking at an Aston Martin V12 Zagato (check all of the rear details: body shape, lights, side vents, side windows, bumper, etc.) with some Ferrari-ish details slapped on and a unique convertible roof added, before it gets pushed under the Grotti name, the equivalent of Ferrari. Like the Coil Voltic, which is a Lotus Elise implied to be a Tesla Roadster, the Grotti Carbonizzare is an Aston Martin pretending to be a Ferrari California, so should be listed as the Aston. On a side note, I'd like to point out the double standards of our old friend Tycek, who is perfectly happy with this convertible Zagato, but still can't come to terms with a wagon Skyline (hint, hint). -- Last edit: 2015-12-03 20:07:04
speedfreak975 2015-12-03 19:02	This car will remain a Ferrari because let's not lie to each other if people can't rap their heads over a R32 skyline wagon , I can't rap my head around a convertible Zagato because they both don't EXIST (production wise). Either this and the stratum are changed or this remains a Ferrari because it's a hardtop RWD front engined grotti (Ferrari parody) aka a California
Tycek 2015-12-03 18:34	So despite the fact that this car looks almost like a V12 Zagato with changed front and we should base our judgement how the car looks, not what it was suppose to be, someone changed it to California? Nicely done.
speedfreak975 2015-07-06 15:02	Also the headlights of this and the massacro are similar and both were inspired by a F12berlinetta
speedfreak975 2015-07-06 14:27	I think its a ferrari California for two main reasons: - Its a grotti (ferrari parody) - Its a front engine rear wheel drive hardtop convertible (aka California) with rear and front of AM. This happened with the turismo r its basically a p1 but was put as a laferrari for its specs and badge. spec wise the car resembles the ferrari California -- Last edit: 2015-07-06 14:46:31
dragonboy 2015-07-05 06:10	THis has been an Aston for ages, which i still believe overall it is, its stayed that way and i dont see any reason why it should change, so just leave it
burgerman360 2015-07-05 05:42	+1 for Ferrari California.
XThUnDeRX 2014-05-27 15:38	Tuppence870 wrote I'd like to say that I agree, but the first screenshots of the Grotti Carbonizzare were released in 2012 (check the dates of the first posts in this thread). It would be very unlikely for Rockstar to have access to images of the 2015 California at such an early date. It was probably meant to be a Ferrari California, however I think when Rockstar designed the Carbonizzare, they unknowingly made it appear like it resembled more of the V12 Zagato. Everytime I look at the back of this car, all I see is V12 Zagato.
Tuppence870 2014-05-27 03:02	Lombax wrote It doesn't make sense for this to be an Aston. I still say Ferrari California but more specifically the 2015 model www.netcarshow.com/ferrari/2015-california_t/ I'd like to say that I agree, but the first screenshots of the Grotti Carbonizzare were released in 2012 (check the dates of the first posts in this thread). It would be very unlikely for Rockstar to have access to images of the 2015 California at such an early date. -- Last edit: 2014-05-27 03:02:36
J-2 2014-05-27 01:18	It's a game. As you said, the Mehari is a Canis because there's no Citroën, but this is the same case. Who knows why they used a Zagato as main influence when this is supposed to be a Ferrari, but again, this is not about what's supposed to be, it's about what it looks like. You are looking at the tip of the iceberg, ignoring the rest of it. Yup, different front. But with the roof up, both from the rear and the sides, this screams V12 Zagato all over the place. A very simple matter.
Lombax 2014-05-26 20:42	It doesn't make sense for this to be an Aston. I still say Ferrari California but more specifically the 2015 model www.netcarshow.com/ferrari/2015-california_t/ Every Dewbauchee resembles an Aston Martin, every Pegassi resembles a Lamborghini, every Grotti resembles a Ferrari, every Vapid resembles a Ford etc. The 'Canis Kalahari' is the only exception because there is no GTA equivalent of Citroen. BTW Here's the front of the Zagato - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_Aston_Martin_V12_Zagato_fr_IAA_2011.jpg - no similarity. -- Last edit: 2014-05-26 20:49:07
Tycek 2014-05-18 09:30	So? Are we judging the looks by the real life or virtual vehicles? I'd say it still looks more like Zagato and should stay as one.
Lombax 2014-05-16 06:06	Look at the rear shots of all the Dewbauchee vehicles (except the JB 700) then compare to the rear shot of this vehicle. It may resemble the real-life Zagato but has no resemblance to the in-game cars that are actually based on Aston Martins. Including the brand new Massacro.
Tycek 2014-03-18 18:48	Nope, because everything except the front is taken directly for Zagato.
Tuppence870 2014-03-18 13:47	If the Cheetah is considered Made For Game, then this should also be.
carcrasher88 2014-01-17 15:47	J-2 wrote The Citroën Mehari is listed as a Karin, and that doesn't make it a Toyota, among other examples. Correction: It's a Canis (the GTA version of Jeep), not a Karin. But, your point still stands.
J-2 2014-01-17 15:09	It seems it is. The name is worth nothing, in many cases yes, but it's not a rule at all. The Citroën Mehari is listed as a Karin, and that doesn't make it a Toyota, among other examples. Maybe it was supposed to be a California, but is deadly obvious that they took the main body cues off a V12 Zagato. Rear and sides are identical. This is about what the car looks like, not what is supposed to be.
Lombax 2014-01-17 09:49	Grotti = Ferrari Dewbauchee = Aston Martin Five Aston Martins listed - four Dewbauchees.... One of these things is not like the others. Ferrari California, with 458 headlights. It's really not that difficult people...
Tuppence870 2013-12-19 01:43	For anyone claiming that the Cheetah's rear has Made For Game written all over it, just remember that the front of this bears no resemblance to the Aston Martin V12 Zagato.
Tuppence870 2013-11-02 17:17	In any other game, somebody would've screamed "Made For Game" by now and that would be the accepted answer... In my opinion, it should be listed as a V12 Zagato, but the front does take inspiration from various current Ferrari models.
J-2 2013-10-29 03:25	Only the rear lights? The entire rear I would say. And the side (specially that vent on the fender) the A pillar...if you put the top up, is basically a Zagato with an altered front. Obviosly is was supposed to be a California, but it's mainly a Zagato, period.
spamllama 2013-10-29 03:09	When given the correct set of wheels from LS Customs and a nice red paint job, this car is dead certainly a mix between a Ferrari California and an F12 the only 'Zagato' thing about it is the rear tail lights.
vgjunkie87 2013-10-13 08:20	IMO this car is obviously the Ferrari 458 Italia, or at least a combination of different Ferraris.
uwotm8 2013-10-04 00:32	Skid wrote I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California. Exactly.
Attacker1997 2013-10-04 00:30	Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
challengerman123 2013-09-26 09:53	Skid wrote I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California. i would say its a ferrari aswell because grotti is gta's equivalent of ferrari so i would say its the california mixed with an f12 berlinetta and aston martin v12 zagato
Desscythe17 2013-09-24 01:07	Skid wrote I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California. I guess the body and taillights are very decisive, and there's not a lot of California to be seen, although I understand how you could see that.
Skid 2013-09-23 17:58	I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California.
car-dude44 2013-09-20 05:47	It's a hardtop convertible in the game.
dragonboy 2013-09-12 15:04	From the front of the doors backwards, its definitely the Aston Zagato, the front isnt though
IanE55 2013-09-12 05:27	Aston V12 Zagato
Hamisxa 2013-08-20 22:44	Front looks like Lambo Gallardo lights and body shape of the GT-R
ND4SPD Racer 2013-08-17 11:50	In-game name is mispelled, it should be Carbonizzare, not Carbonnizare -- Last edit: 2013-08-17 12:01:30
Gijs571 2013-08-17 11:36	Tycek wrote http://couttandschutz.com/vehicledatabase/nc/azvehdatab_NC20_2.jpg Here\'s the pic of the back. After seeing that pic, I think it's a Aston Martin V12 Zagato.
Tycek 2013-08-14 18:51	Anything but Corvette
civic_eg6_94 2013-08-14 18:45	IMHO, this has no resemblance to Ferrari despite it's manufactured by Grotti. The closest Ferrari probably a 599 GTB Fiorano, but still not pretty much resemble this car. Overall, I see it more like a Corvette-ish with C7 headlights, and I don't see any R35 in this car.
Tycek 2013-08-14 15:34	couttandschutz.com/vehicledatabase/nc/azvehdatab_NC20_2.jpg Here's the pic of the back. -- Last edit: 2013-08-14 15:34:27
Antti-san 2013-08-14 14:15	Where can I see this rear you guys are talking about?
J-2 2013-08-14 13:58	I forgot about the rear...still R35 for me. Front (headlights, grill, DRL) side (A pillar in black, side vent) gives it away. I think the Zagato rear, as usual, is there to make the car more different (The Super GT and Turismo in GTA IV had "wrong" rears) and maybe it's branded as a Grotti for the same reason.
Tycek 2013-08-14 12:33	There is another problem, because this car got back taken straight from Aston Martin Zagato with only difference being 4 taillights instead of 2. So we got Aston with Nissan R-35 front and since their sides are quite similar, we got nice mashup.
J-2 2013-08-14 12:27	Weird. But remember, this is a game, it doesn't matter which manufacturer makes it in the game, it looks like a Nissan GT-R without any doubt, and also, no Ferrari I can think of looks like that. 100% R35 GT-R in my opinion.
Tycek 2013-08-14 12:13	Me neither, that's why I change it back to Unknown. I was quite sure it will be based on Nissan, but it looks like R* choose Ferrari.
civic_eg6_94 2013-08-14 11:36	Never expect it would be manufactured by Grotti ._.
jeffdesign 2013-08-13 23:54	to my eyes, the car look more like C6 corvette with a front end of GTR/C7 corvette! farm4.staticflickr.com/3554/3674682855_f8181f64b5_z.jpg?zz=1
Maxine 2013-06-28 22:52	hm, I think my comment is easy to missunderstand so Im going to clear this up, I Dont, think its a GTR But, I can really see the GTR influence, I still think its a corvette tho, but it does have a GTR windsheild, headlights and side vent, on a corvette body, and I guess we still havent seen the rear so who knows, so yeah, I shall laugh, when I get the game and find its rear wheel drive, and V8, and hell if its named something that puns corvette, Awsome, But it definatly, 100% has some parts fomr a GTR, on an american lookin car? odd combination all the same, still I was over at IGTA a short while ago, they have it listed as Aston Martin Zagato, Seriusly, who aloud that to be posted?
440 mopar 2013-05-19 16:17	The scalloped fender/door does look like a GT-R, but the rear looks too tall to be a front engined car. The shape looks more like a mid engine car of some sort.
ItsaUserName 2013-05-19 12:09	jokerelite wrote You've got to be kidding me. That looks NOTHING like any GT-R ever. It's looks much more like a Ferrari 458 Italia www.wikipediatrade.com/img/Ferrari-458-Italia-1.jpg www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/09/ferrari_458_02.jpg As you put it in your own words, it looks NOTHING like a 458. If it wasn't for the red paint, no-one would've said Ferrari by now.
Andra125 2013-05-19 07:45	It's a nearly prefect match:
jokerelite 2013-05-19 07:22	You've got to be kidding me. That looks NOTHING like any GT-R ever. It's looks much more like a Ferrari 458 Italia www.wikipediatrade.com/img/Ferrari-458-Italia-1.jpg www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/09/ferrari_458_02.jpg
Maxine 2013-05-18 15:37	Kinda looks like a corvette to me at first, I dident see the GTR untill someone said it, But yeah, I really see the GTR, mabye its some wierd Corvette Nissan GTR hybred.. even for GTA that would be a weird combination. still havent seen the back, allso another find from your resident repeat trailer watchr, anybody else spot the convertible vertion?.. Trevors trailer
Gijs571 2013-05-05 14:16	Judging from the trailer (I spotted one there) it looks more like a Nissan 370Z with GT-R elements.
NismoR35 2013-03-29 16:47	jus1029 wrote The front fascia looks like the modern-day Lancia Stratos. www.specialist-auto.fr/8980-lancia-stratos-animee-par-un-v8-et-de-nouveau-photographiee/ But, I do see some GT-R elements. Whoever posted the car on GTAWiki had the "Grotti" in the image's name, GTAWIKIA doesn't say though, not saying it's going to be manufactured by Grotti, but it's hard to say.
jus1029 2013-03-29 13:28	The front fascia looks like the modern-day Lancia Stratos. www.specialist-auto.fr/8980-lancia-stratos-animee-par-un-v8-et-de-nouveau-photographiee/ But, I do see some GT-R elements. -- Last edit: 2013-03-29 15:35:18 (walter)
Skyline159 2013-02-22 15:06	It's not of GT-R R35...
NismoR35 2013-02-04 07:49	-- Last edit: 2013-02-04 07:50:15
D J Finn 2013-02-04 07:23	Maybe they got the info about the Vette while making the car... or maybe Chevrolet ripped off the design from this game, like Dodge did with the Banshee & the new SRT Viper. dramatic music
EscudoPikesPeak 2013-01-31 12:08	they put this picture BEFORE vette was release....
D J Finn 2013-01-31 05:50	I think it's the new Vette... www.designboom.com/technology/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray/
EscudoPikesPeak 2013-01-13 14:41	this is Nissan GT-R 2012 model... does they look same to you? well change it to SRT Viper because look the front parts
ItsaUserName 2013-01-09 22:59	Hmm I wouldn't jump to conclusions and call this a GT-R just yet. It could pretty much be any Pacific-originating supercar or concept produced in the past 5 years.
EscudoPikesPeak 2013-01-01 02:16	This doesnt looks like GTR R35..... more like SRT Viper 2012
GTAmaniac 2012-11-20 15:41	k9underdogg wrote the final version is gonna look nothing like this I bet you're right, this is a beta version because it doesn't have a badge, only cars that appeared in GTA IV Have a name and a badge, despite being a new generation or just a facelift
k9underdogg 2012-11-14 04:03	the final version is gonna look nothing like this I bet
Gijs571 2012-11-13 20:06	Definitely a Nissan GTR with some 370Z resembles
Hamisxa 2012-11-13 18:04	Firstly the front fender looks nothing like the V12 zagato's. The light's don't eighter and the Zagato's rear is more circular. And this car reminds me of a Mixture of the Nissan GT-R 2009 with the Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superlaggera
dorifto98 2012-11-13 12:49	yep.. more Aston V12 Zagato to me, but I glad if it's turns out to be GT-R wannabe if the back doesn't look like V12 Zagato
carcrasher88 2012-11-13 04:59	Nope, this is pure R35 GT-R. Various different parts of this car give it away as R*'s version of the R35. - Side intake design on front fender - Side window shape - Has similar LED strips on front bumper, like all 2011+ facelift models Only large differences are the fact that the hood slopes down up front like a TVR, and the Camaro-like rear fender shape. Everything else (that's been seen so far) is pure R35.
ALiXoV3rDoS3 2012-11-13 04:49	There's more Aston Martin Zagato here than GT-R.
Hamisxa 2012-11-12 22:40	Damn finally a Skyline (GTR) after 7 years...... God better look like a Skyline from the rear ;p
carcrasher88 2012-11-12 22:13	^...or a successor. Either way, pretty darn cool addition, can't wait to see what else R* has in store.
daviddiaz21 2012-11-12 22:05	New Elegy
lcpdcv 2012-11-12 21:08	carcrasher88 wrote Hand gestures while behind the wheel...that's new. You can now flip off people, both onfoot and in vehicle. Sweet.
stryder237 2012-11-12 20:19	Police SUV in background. Probably a patriot, maybe a cavalcade. Or something new.
FRANKIE SAYS RELAX 2012-11-12 19:18	carcrasher88 wrote Hand gestures while behind the wheel...that's new. yeah nice =)
carcrasher88 2012-11-12 19:09	Hand gestures while behind the wheel...that's new.

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